More on Same-Sex Marriage

I was read this article today about Gay Black men on the DL [down low] and the effects it has on Black culture and society at large.

 

I read the comments and discovered this one by NAGROM,

 

“First of all, Im a Christian and I am unapologetic in my view on gay marriage-I do not agree with it. I think homosexuality is a sin and I think that gay marriage is nothing more than the secular world trying to take something that is Christian in it founding(marriage) and pervert that aswell. I love gay people, I don’t hate them. I just believe that the gay and lesbian movement has distorted the truth and spread misconceptions about Christians and Christianity and it is unfair. I don’t understand why being gay is equivalent with being black, or with ethnicity. How so ezperaz? Being gay is a choice, you could easily choose to marry a woman, like the DL men do and be faithful to her. You can’t choose being white or black, you were born that way. As a Christian these are my views and I know that some will call me a “bigot” lol, again when did sexual orientation become the equivalent of race? I just feel so through with the mainstream media trying to demonize anybody who does no agree with gay marriage. Look at Carrie Prejean, she was discriminated against because of her stand against gay marriage and there is nothing you can say to make me believe otherwise. I thought that liberals were so open minded but when it comes to anybody who disagreesm with gay marriage we are called “bigots” and other ridiculous names. I don’t understand how you could not expect a pastor to include homosexuality with all the other sins being condemned in scripture Monie. I don’t think that pastors should preach hate for the people, but why does being gay deserve special treatment, it is on the same magnitude as all the other sins. How can you be a Christian and turn the other cheek on certain things in the scripture? It’s not that blacks are more moral than any other race, it is just that we somehow are more intolerant I believe with some of this secular culture. I know many white people who are staunch Christians and believe that homosexuality is wrong and a sin. Why does it have to be called “marriage”? Why is civil union not good enough? I don’t understand why they want to take the institution of marriage, which in it’s very definition is a holy covenant between a man and a woman and their God, and make it something else which is was never intended to be. I can’t call that equal rights sorry. I believe that gays are equal-um yes because they are HUMANS but I don’t think what they are doing should or could ever be considered marriage”

 

First I want to comment on, “I think homosexuality is a sin and I think that gay marriage is nothing more than the secular world trying to take something that is Christian in it founding (marriage) and pervert that as well.”  What is the secular world?  To me Jesus the Christ conquered the secular world thus making it clean.  I reference Acts 10:15, “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.”  If we proclaim as Christians that we are reconciled unto God via the Christ then the secular world does not exist.  Rather, we live in to the reality of the divine that dwells in all facets of our life.  Christianity does not hold exclusive rights to any social functions if the Christ has victory over them.

 

Marriage is not a religiously exclusive function here in America.  If marriage is an exclusive religious function than it should not arrive with exclusive rights that are excluded from ALL citizens.  Marriage is not or was not founded as a Christian institution.  Marriage is far older than the earliest Christian communities.  It is an institution that has been adopted and used to structure Christian communities.  It is not exclusively Christian.  I leave the perversion to those that hold a higher moral authority than I.

 

I want to comment on, “I don’t understand why being gay is equivalent with being black, or with ethnicity…Being gay is a choice, you could easily choose to marry a woman, like the DL men do and be faithful to her.”  I believe you missed the boat on this one.  The fabric of the article deals with the harmful effects the DL men have upon Black culture.  I would disagree with you that being Gay is a choice.  To entertain your comment, lets assume that being Gay is a choice and the DL man chooses to live “faithfully” with a woman.  Is he being faithful to her if his heart longs for love she cannot provide?  If he is emotionally unavailable is he being “faithful?”  The point of the article was that DL men that chose to live on the DL are hurting people.  That is not good on any level.

 

Then I read this, “I don’t understand how you could not expect a pastor to include homosexuality with all the other sins being condemned in scripture Monie. I don’t think that pastors should preach hate for the people, but why does being gay deserve special treatment, it is on the same magnitude as all the other sins. How can you be a Christian and turn the other cheek on certain things in the scripture?”  I would hate for a pastor to preach the love for ALL that is offered in the Gospels.  There are many cases for scriptural integrity of the exclusion of homosexuality as a sin.  I point to Jack Rodgers book, Jesus, the Bible, and Homosexuality: Explode the Myths, Heal the Church, as one such resource for this argument.  As a Christian minister I would not preach the exclusion of the Gay community.  Nor would I preach hate.  Divorce, faithfulness in relationship, and greed are dealt with on more occasions than homosexuality.  Jesus never spoke of homosexuality, but did condemn divorce and greed 1000 fold.  I do wonder why Christians are easily inflated when matters of sexual orientation arise and forget to stand against systemic oppression on economic matters. 

 

Last but not least, “Why does it have to be called “marriage”? Why is civil union not good enough? I don’t understand why they want to take the institution of marriage, which in it’s very definition is a holy covenant between a man and a woman and their God, and make it something else which is was never intended to be. I can’t call that equal rights sorry. I believe that gays are equal-um yes because they are HUMANS but I don’t think what they are doing should or could ever be considered marriage.”  Marriage is a sacred covenant between two willing parties and their God.  My God calls ALL to partnership in fidelity, trust, faithfulness, and compassion.  There is nothing in my understanding of “marriage” that excludes same-sex partners from making the same commitment to each other before God.  The fact that there are benefits from the State that are afforded to married couples means that it is no specifically a religious matter.  It is a matter of the State as well. If we are willing to exclude the State benefits that one receives in marriage than I am ok with marriage being a religious rite.  If we are to uphold the constitutional legitimacy of our culture than rights gained in marriage must be open to ALL consenting adult parties [same-sex or other wise]. 

 

Why not truly separate the Church and State function in marriage.  Where all parties must first obtain the State recognition and therefore receive the State rights of marriage then allow the Church to recognize and bless the unions they seem fit according to their religious doctrine.  All are granted the legal rights and benefits of marriage and the religious institutions are allowed to practice the brand of rite the feel called too.

4 thoughts on “More on Same-Sex Marriage

  1. Good thoughts, Ryan. That some folks are still willing to argue that being gay is a “choice” is endlessly amazing. It’s necessary for their arguments to have any purchase, but it’s profoundly and obviously wrong to anyone who has a GLBT friend or loved one.

  2. Being Gay is a choice like being straight is a choice. Why am I never asked if I chose to be straight? It is tragic to assume that ones orientation is nothing short of divinely inspired. To question ones being is to question the imago dei we all hold.

  3. Last paragraph is spot on! Well said. That is, in my judgment, the only responsible position for a free republic that treats all lawful citizens with equal regard and to allow religious to freely practice their beliefs – even if I find those beliefs repulsive.

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